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Atheists and the Assertions they Make then Refuse to Substantiate

Atheists frequently make assertions about God and Christianity which when asked to substantiate they point blank refuse to do so, confusingly thinking that they have no burden of proof for assertions they make to positive knowledge. Usually the conversation ends up with them trying to move the burden of proof to the theist asking for the substantiation of their assertion with them blissfully unaware that they have the burden of proof for their assertions and obliged to substantiate it regardless of whether the person requesting it is a theist, fellow atheist, agnostic or just an interested party.  This section of my blog will record those assertions and, where relevant, remark upon them briefly. Where I list an assertion and the poster then seeks to establish that assertion with evidence I will mark it as such but unless otherwise marked it falls into the ‘assertion made, refused to substantiate’ category.

Such assertions of course fall under the dictum ascribed to the late Christopher Hitchens, ‘That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence’.

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“God is an idea, not a fact. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”.

This is an assertion – a claim to positive knowledge – as to what God is, an idea and not a fact. If it is not to be dismissed then it must be evidenced as per the very statement the poster includes in his comment.

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“All over the planet people are killing each other over their version of a non-existent God”.

Following the posting of this tweet the poster, although agreeing that, ‘that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence’, refused to substantiate his assertion that God is non-existent. His final remark was that I could dismiss all I wanted. It well shows that atheists are of the wrong view that they have no burden of proof to evidence what they assert (make claim to positive knowledge) whilst they demand the same from theists

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In response to the statement, “There is no excuse not to know God. Romans 1:20” it was asserted, ‘Except for the fact that no gods exist’.

The atheist responding to this was right to respond to what amounts to an unsubstantiated theistic assertion but wrong in responding with but another unsubstantiated assertion. Perhaps a more appropriate response would have been along the lines of requesting substantiation for the theistic assertion and why the Bible should be regarded as proof of the claim made to those who don’t regard the Bible as ‘Holy Scripture’ from God. Whatever the case, it was requested of the atheist they substantiate with evidence that it is a fact that no gods exist. No response was forthcoming from that atheist.

Update: A response was forthcoming from the poster of the above assertion as follows:

“Plain and simple, the burden of proof lies on you. I can say there is a flying monkey in my closet, unless I can prove it it means nothing. So go ahead. Prove I don’t have a flying monkey in the closet… You can’t can you? Must be there then? Sound crazy? You know why? Because it is stupid logic.

Not only is this a misunderstanding of the burden of proof but it is a clear attempt to shift the burden from the person who has made the assertion (claim to positive knowledge), i.e. a fact that no gods exist, but it exhibits a very poor grasp of logic, not understanding that whilst I would be justified in being highly skeptical that there was a flying monkey in the closet I would not be justified as stating as a fact that there was no flying money in the closet. It is upon such misguided logic that the #atheism of many is based.

Following being notified I had updated my blog to reflect their recent remarks and my response to it the ‘rational, freethinking, tolerant, seeker-after-truth’ atheist indicated they had blocked me.

 

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Atheist Mockery of Religion

Atheist Mockery of Religion

Any theist who engages with the wider population of atheists on the Internet and especially on social media sites will soon be struck by the amount of mockery leveled against religion and specifically Christianity. In Western democracies with freedom of speech that is, of course, their prerogative and fundamental right but that doesn’t mean that it should not be exposed for all to see and especially when that mockery is a replacement or a mask for a lack of ability to rationally engage in ongoing debate on theism vs atheism.

The temptation is of course to respond with just as much mockery as is given out but that would be a mistake, lowering the standard of rational debate to the level of those unable to engage in it. The appropriate response is therefore to just let people see the complete, total, disrespect those atheists who frequently engage in this mockery have for other peoples beliefs and worldviews. So that is what we will do here, to let as many people as visit this page see atheists without the mask of niceness they pretend to have over theists. If the posting of this mockery serves no other purpose than to strengthen the resolves of theists to oppose the false worldview of atheism at every turn then it has indeed, served a useful one.

#1 This was posted on Twitter with the accompanying remark, ‘Sing along’.

Regardless of the truth or falsity of Christianity to mock the crucifixion – a most horrible manner of death – of another human being in a point in history hardly represents anything admirable in the mocker and one would but hope that all atheists who also subscribe to secular humanism would be just as appalled at this as those to whom that crucifixion has life-changing meaning.

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Bible Reading for Children to Age of Eighteen is Child Abuse

“If you let your children read the bible before they are 18, you should be arrested for child”.

I think this comment speaks for itself and doubt that many atheists would support it. It’s simply a ridiculous statement intended to cause maximum offence .  The Bible like any work that records ancient history does contain sometimes shocking details but we ought to no more protect young adults from this than any other retelling of history. Added to that is the fact that unlike some of that other ancient history the Bible is widely recognised for it’s admirable, moral and beautiful poetic accounts.

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What can one say about this cheap wordplay with no substance behind it and involving the many people suffering and dying from AIDS to the cause of mocking religion. It pretty much speaks for itself that any rational, freethinking, tolerant and informed individual would find some satisfaction or pleasure from posting such a photo on a public forum.

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